Nei til islam: Greenfield: Antisionister er antisemitter

Jeg så et fantastisk forsvar for Israel på TV Visjon Norge i går, av Anita Apelthun Sæle.

Her har vi med et overbevist menneske å gjøre, og med en mengde faktaopplysninger, (dog litt "hakkete"): Gratulerer:

For mange år siden skreve tørrfisken Jostein Garder en kronikk i Aftenposten der han sablet ned Israel og ba om staten Israels demontering, se lenkene under.

Samtidig kom det fram at han elsker jøder. Men han ville altså ta fra dem eller oppløse Staten Israel.

Slikt går an bare i Norge, eller? Vel, vi kjenner lusa på vanen. Anita elsker tydelig vise helt i tråd med all fornuft og alt hjertet måtte ha å by på og ta imot, Israel og jøder.

Vi legger nå ut et innlegg av D Greenfield til ettertanke, under, i håp om at den kan gi ny innsikt som grunnlag for nettopp å støtte Israel. Anita gjorde en og jobb, både hva historikk og juss angikk.

Hun pekte bl a på at noen i det høyrere sjikt her i landet hadde presisert at jødene skalle får sitt «hjemland», men ikke sin stat. Anita parerte: I andre folkerettslige dokumenter het det at jødens skal ha statsborgerskap i hjemlandet. Kan man ha statsborgerskap – dvs få statsborgerskap, den gang - i et land i en stat som ikke eksisterer, men eksistere bare som et «hjemland»?

Nå mener ikke Greenfield at alle ikkemuslimer og alle muslimer er jødehatere, antisemitter og antisionister, (som noen kanskje kan få inntrykk av ut fra teksten isolert). Greenfield stiler sin kritikk mot høydene, de som er ansvarlig og som sitter på toppene og som styrer den overordnede ideologien, de som må bekjempes.

På den annen side: Hvem har ikke møtt også kristne som benytter seg av anledninger til å hate og bli riktig ekle, uten å forstå det selv? Jeg har mange eksempler, og det har sikker du også.

Men det vi skal legge merke til er at muslimer ifølge sharia, dvs Koranen og skriftene, har en plikt fra Allah til å hate, bl a jøder, (men ikke i alle relasjoner). Gang på gang hører vi fra palestinske eller arabiske ledere at de ikke hater jødene, bare at de må straffes fordi de ha tatt land fra dem, (hus waqf, se egne posteringer ellers her på bloggen). (Anita uttaler waqf som waf – hvilket er begredelig).

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2023/03/bnnerop-og-eiendomsrett-til-landet.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2023/11/bamsegutt-saken-et-symptom-pa-noe-annet.html

Jeg har opplevd kommunister eller folk på ytterste venstresiden utvise et dypt hat som jeg ikke har opplevd i andre politiske kretser, blant mer konservativt innstilte. Disse siste har kanskje i seg et minne, om enn aldri så vagt, om kristentroen, som nå er på vei ut, (etter all statistikk og prognoser å dømme).

Er det en forskjell på hatet i en «revolusjonær» og hatet i en muslim – som hater ut fra plikt til Allah? Kan det ene hatet forstås bedre enn det andre? Hvilket hat er mest umoralsk og forkastelig?

Og hva med effektiviteten og muligheten for «å lykkes»?

http://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2010/11/sosialister-flirter-optimistisk-med.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2020/04/tror-du-ikke-pa-jesus-tro-du-ikke-pa.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2012/06/sosialister-elsker-allah-fordi.html

Uttalelser fra lærde muslimer om å hate jøder:

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2020/08/mellomkirkelig-rad-et-rad-besatt-av.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2020/09/det-hatefulle-anti-hatet.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2019/10/9-synden-og-syndene-i-kristendom-og.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2014/10/nar-ikke-hate-blir-en-synd-mot-allah.html

http://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2010/11/har-muslimer-plikt-til-hate.html

http://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2014/06/hatefulle-ytringer.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2011/02/hatet-mot-vesten-og-spesielt-de-kristne.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2022/02/simen-bondevik-hater-han-hrs.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2022/02/ofres-na-frankrike-pa-frihetens-alter.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2023/04/kan-mekka-muslimer-vre-hatefulle-mot.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2023/06/unevnelig-no-go-soner-taqiyya-og.html

Et spørsmål jeg må be om svar på fra en eventuelle leser:

Er det forskjell på en ateistisk person som hater sionister og semitter (jøder) og en muslim – eller muslimer - som hater sionister og semitter (jøder)?

Hvilket hat er farligst og minst etisk begrunnet?

Greenfield:

Anti-Zionism is Just Anti-Semitism Misspelled, It’s not about Israel, it’s about the Jews. https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/08/anti-zionism-is-just-anti-semitism-misspelled

In a London cafe, Jewish theatergoers arriving to take in “Fiddler on the Roof” were accosted by bigots waving PLO flags. In Los Angeles, a Holocaust museum and a synagogue were attacked by masked mobs in keffiyehs who claimed to be protesting against Israel.

In Brooklyn, a Hasidic Jewish man was stabbed by a thug shouting “Free Palestine.”

The old arguments about the difference between antisemitism and anti-Zionism are in the same sort of ruin as the Jewish communities on the border with Gaza and Lebanon after Oct 7.

The entire intellectual infrastructure for arguing that there is some distinction between opposing Jews and opposing a county for the Jews was destroyed not by concerted debate or the universal adoption of the IHRA definition of antisemitism, but by the actions of the Left.

From the Biden administration to the Ivy League campuses that provide its manpower and its donor and voter bases, the Left universally accepted the legitimacy of the anti-Israel movement as a principled moral activity, and the anti-Israel movement celebrated by scrawling “Hamas is Coming” on D.C. monuments, waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags, and attacking synagogues.

Pro-Israel groups argued there was no difference between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. Anti-Israel groups proved them right. What would the anti-Israel movement have to do to Jews to have its actions be officially acknowledged as antisemitism? There seems to be no red line.

There is little that the Nazis did that the so-called anti-Zionist movement hasn’t done from promoting the mass murder of Jews, drawing up lists of Jewish writers to purge, attacking houses of worship and calling for the elimination of Jews from public life. Ivy League bosses who had policed Halloween costumes argued that another Holocaust was all about the context.

The Bolsheviks banned antisemitism in the Soviet Union only to define any form of Jewish identity that did not involve leftist activism as Zionist or otherwise reactionary. In the name of anti-Zionism, the USSR banned the Hebrew language and most expressions of Jewish culture and life except for a narrow slice of ‘Yiddishism’ and a few closely monitored synagogues.

… The modern Left does much the same thing. It officially rejects antisemitism while endorsing anti-Zionism. As in the USSR there is a cadre of leftist Jews who support the destruction of Israel and are anti-Zionists in good standing (at least for now) and, like George Soros, are the only official victims of antisemitism.

The other 99% of Jews are Zionists. And they may be protested, harassed, assaulted and killed.

… When Hamas or Hezbollah kill Jews, they never bother to check their views on an independent Jewish homeland. ….

The Jewish position was that anti-Zionism was antisemitism and therefore an ugly form of hatred. The anti-Zionist position is that most Jews are Zionists and therefore antisemitism is justified. … but whether Jews deserve to be killed.

Since Oct 7, it has been abundantly clear that the supporters of killing Jews call themselves anti-Zionists. By rebranding antisemitism as anti-Zionism, they transform the act of persecuting and killing a minority group from a shameful form of bigotry to a courageous form of progressivism. Targeting a minority group because of its religion or its ethnicity is considered reactionary, but redefine the group as an ideology and suddenly targeting Jews becomes noble.

College encampments that barred black or Latino students from campus would be a hate crime, but campus encampments targeting Jews as Zionists follows the right side of history.

Redefining Jews to justify antisemitism is not as innovative as leftists like to think.

Antisemitism was always premised on redefining the Jewish existence as unnatural and artificial. Jews were being denounced as colonizers as far back as the days of Pharaoh. The term ‘antisemitism’, coined by Wilhelm Marr, ….

… It is the duty of all progressive people of goodwill to make them uncomfortable not only by lobbing rockets at Jerusalem and burning Jewish families alive in their homes, but also by showing up to attack them anywhere in the world they might be. Because it’s not about Israel.

Just as anti-Zionism is a manifestation of antisemitism, so the calls for the destruction of Israel by the average non-Muslim has nothing to do with a tiny country in the Middle East.

And everything to do with the Jews.

The profusion of PLO flags and shouts about rivers, seas and the Arab Muslim colonizers who adopted the name of the European colonizers known as the Philistines, are simply the latest incarnation of the Swastika and shouts on German streets of “Juden Raus!”

… If Israel didn’t exist, it would have had to be invented. European Jews reinvented Israel because of antisemitism. And antisemites cling to Israel so that they can claim to be anti-Zionists.

The idea that the current plague of antisemitism would not exist without Israel is a fantasy.

The obsession of the Muslim wing of the anti-Zionist coalition with Jews long predates the rebirth of Israel. And socialists were hurling antisemitic invective at Jews in the antebellum era.

Mohammed did not ethnically cleanse the Jews of Arabia because of the State of Israel. Nor did Marx rant that “money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist” back when Theodor Herzl was a teenage boy because he was so infuriated by Zionism.

The red-green alliance of Marxism and Islam has always hated the Jews. It will always do so.

But the followers of Mohammed and Marx also hate a great many other people besides Jews because hatred is their ideology more than any faith or economic system. They distill and channel that hate along ideological lines, but it is not their ideology that defines their hate, but their hate that defines their ideology. If there were no Israel, they would still be turning up outside synagogues and chanting for the death of Jews as they did before there was an Israel.

Israel is not the cause of the antisemitism or anti-Zionism of Marxists and Muslims, it is the best defense against it. Israel’s existence infuriates them because it has made it harder to kill Jews.

And what else would make an antisemite pretending to be an anti-Zionist as angry as the Jews making it harder to kill them?

Det er mangt og mye mer man kunne si om disse tingene. Her er noen, «must»:

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2020/12/angrep-bispene-kristensionister-eller.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2020/10/jagland-listhaug-og-sommerfelt-helt.html

Med bla «Twisted Cross»:

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2022/03/putin-kirill-dagen-og-en-grusom-fortid.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2010/12/nettavisen-sprer-selvhat-og-selvforakt.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2024/03/okkupasjonen-lovlig-og-ikke-ulovlig.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2024/05/nrk-og-domstolen-i-haag-like-begredelige.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2023/03/den-store-fordrivelsen.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2024/01/forvirringens-brutalitet-pa-oss-selv.html

https://neitilislam.blogspot.com/2011/02/er-gaarder-antisemitt.html